Wednesday, September 22, 2010

CF ATL 1551
Anna

Workout of the Day

"Kelly"

Five rounds for time of:
Run 400 meters
30 Box jump, 24 inch box
30 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball

Remember, we are closed Sat.  Everyone is participating in FGB5 at the Marine Reserve Base.  Start time is 9 AM, and will run until mid afternoon. If you want to carpool, meet at Crossfit Atlanta at 10:30am.

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  • rhjones5
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    I was just wondering if any of you people could help me find the religion that would fit me best?
    Is there one that is true and right for everyone? Why or why not?

  • Steve
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    WOD for today is as many comments as possible on the blog in 24 hours (AMCAP 24h). If this WOD is not challenging enough for you, scale it up by integrating paleo and religion into one comment. 3-2-1-GO!

  • Dave Hodges
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    You must be thinking of Paleoism, the religion of all peoples during the Paleolithic period. Even though food was scarce and humans were struggling for survival, if a Paleolithic man caught himself a large piece of poultry, we know that he had certain religious prohibitions about what he could and couldn’t eat. We know this because he didn’t have the benefit of Ancel Keys’ “Seven Country Study” nor of Gerald Ford’s “Dietary Guidelines” but nevertheless was certain to follow them both.
    For instance, the Paleolithic man, upon capturing a fowl, would immediately discard not only the feathers, but the skin as well. His religion dictated that the skin was unclean. Secondly, he would remove all of the fat, since he knew that eating this would cause evil spirits to infest his kidneys. After that, he would find all the dark meat and get rid of it too. He found that the fatty dark meat displeased the sun god.
    Then, he discarded the entrails. This was done for ritual purity. Finally, he discarded the bones and marrow since he was sure that eating marrow would upset the balance of the earth deity. What was he left with? Boneless, skinless chicken breast! After removing 80% of the caloric contents of his catch, he rejoiced in the tiny amount he had left over and thanked the god of the Chiny Study. And then somehow, he managed to get some canola oil to cook it in and then he washed it down with diet soda.
    This is the dogma of Loren Cord– oops, I mean these were the religious practises of Paleoism.

  • Ryan Tyler
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    since the gym will be closed on saturday i am going to do the wod at the hooch subing run for row. let me know if you’re interested. i plan on doing this before fgb so i can go support the team.
    Four rounds for time of:
    Row 500 meters
    Rest 3 minutes
    and to answer your question, rhjones, scientology. definitely scientology. why? because it has an alien called xeno. nuff said

  • BMW-CFATL
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    David…You are misunderstanding the mechanisms of why Cordain recommends lean meats over fatty, saltier meats more commonly eaten today.
    The “Paleo Diet” as recommended by Cordain doesn’t purport to mimic the diet eaten by our ancestors, it looks to simulate that diet. Most of the animals our ancestors ate were more like game meat and fish. Not the fattened up animals we have available to us now. Those fatty animals would not survive long in the wild.
    And bone marrow is very much considered “paleo.” Not sure where you got that it is not.

  • Pablo Vega
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    Did anyone else think today’s workout “looked” easy, only to feel like you got your ass kicked by the end? this was serious shit today

  • Ryan Tyler
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    i’m not sure i understand why the premise makes any since. first of all, evolution doesn’t always produce the best result. look at this
    http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/EvolGreatestMistakes-NewSci%20081107.pdf
    secondly, just because we didn’t evolve eating bio-engineered food or whatever wasn’t around in the good ol days doesn’t mean its not good for us, right? our bodies, though not perfect, are amazing at adapting. i can’t imagine it wouldn’t be able to adapt to some of the foods that are available today that weren’t then. i agree that a good starting point is looking at the food we evolved to process but its not the end all.

  • Dave Hodges
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    “David…You are misunderstanding the mechanisms of why Cordain recommends lean meats over fatty, saltier meats more commonly eaten today.”
    Not exactly. Let’s see what the Man Himself has to say about eating fats:
    “Both carbohydrates and fats can be consumed (theoretically) in quantities greater than the daily energy expended because there is no physiological limit or ceiling that occurs when these substrates are metabolized. Excess dietary carbohydrate or excess fat do not make us acutely ill like excess protein. Hence, these excess calories are simply stored as body fat. Over the long haul, when more energy is consumed than energy expended, we gain weight.”
    Ah, yes! The good old calories-in/calories out paradigm! Eating fat makes you fat, according to the Paleo diet.
    But it doesn’t end there – what else does he say? Cordain also believes in Ancel Keys’ lipid hypothesis for metabolic syndrome:
    “This nutritional plan is totally unlike those irresponsible, low-carbohydrate, high-fat, fad diets that allow unlimited consumption of artery-clogging cheeses, bacon, butter, and fatty meats. Rather, the foundation of The Paleo Diet is lean meat, seafood, and unlimited consumption of fresh fruits and veggies.”
    Hmmm. Sounds just like the politically correct conventional wisdom we have been hearing from the American Heart Association since the early 70s. Processed meats are horrible for you and you will never see me tout the benefits of Wal-Mart 80/20. But we need to quit pretending that Cordain actually has presented anything like a Paleolithic diet if he is insisting that fat ipso facto causes metabolic syndrome. It doesn’t, and this has been demonstrated quite conclusively.
    Cordain is right to state that meats were leaner in ancient times for some game, i.e. cattle and most species of continental deer. But bison, bear, elk, and hogs didn’t differ much in fat content. And how is canola oil (made from genetically modified rapeseed) supposed to simulate anything like Paleolithic conditions? And since when is aspartame supposed to link us back to our ancestral days?
    The restriction on salt is just as ill-founded. Ancient civilisations consumed a good deal of salt and used it to preserve meats. Now if you want to talk about the horrible table salt sold for a quid per kilo on grocery store shelves, yeah, you’re not going to get any objection from me when you tell people to avoid that. But salt (like fat, and like anything else that Cordain rejects based on his wonderfully active imagination) isn’t bad for you either. The modern concoction that we have that is filled with all sorts of chemical additives is very bad for you. But there are plenty of salts that are naturally occurring in cruciferous vegetables. Are these bad for you for their salt content?
    Loren Cordain is a lot like Barry Sears – he wants to appeal to people on both sides of the fence. He wants to talk about healthful eating whilst still being able to demonise fat and promote conventional wisdom. By couching his claims in terms of evolutionary science, he hopes to establish some sort of credibility. The problem is that the conclusions to which he comes about diet are not based on evolutionary science at all, but rather a mishmash of a low-sugar Mediterranean diet and the typical low-fat nonsense touted to-day by the FDA and USDA. Why did Cordain never even stop to consider actual traditional diets that are fully known to us that never once produced a single case of metabolic syndrome? Why did he never bother to discuss the Inuit or Masai diets?
    I must say that it is definitely true that if you cut out grains and milk and fatty processed meats that you will do much better in overall health. But that has far more to do with what grains, milk, and fatty processed meats have become in our modern industrialised world. You can eat just fine if you stick to organic, grass-fed beef, wild caught game, free range organic poultry, raw milk, and sprouted grains and you will definitely avoid all the pitfalls of the modern Western diet. But if you’re too lazy to do that, well yeah, “Paleo” is a fine way to go. But then, that’s not Paleo in any meaningful sense of the word. It’s “Neo” in an attempt to avoid the problems of modern farming.
    I’d rather stick to an actual Paleolithic diet. It tastes better anyway.
    Oh, where did I get that marrow should be avoided?
    http://altmed.creighton.edu/Paleodiet/Foodlist.html
    Marrow is only allowed from lamb or beef. All dark meat, skin, and marrow is to avoided from poultry. So in order to mimic the Paleolithic era, we remove 80% of all nutrients from fowl.

  • Bethanie
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    instead of doing that, you should DO fight gone bad!!!! that’s the point!

  • Bethanie
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    I’m loving the blog lately!!

  • Ryan Tyler
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    in other words, is it possible to have a food processing method (in order for it to have a longer shelf life, for example) that is benign?

  • Dave Hodges
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    “secondly, just because we didn’t evolve eating bio-engineered food or whatever wasn’t around in the good ol days doesn’t mean its not good for us, right? our bodies, though not perfect, are amazing at adapting.”
    This is true. For instance, there are certain species of algae that we started eating within the last hundred years that are perfectly fine for us, even though we didn’t eat them a long time ago.
    However, what we cannot deny is that since the advent of modern farming (high grain consumption, pesticides, hormones, antibiotics, unsanitary CAFO units, &c.) we have seen a HUGE increase in metabolic syndrome, and in places that have not adopted these practises, metabolic syndrome is absent.
    For this reason, I exercise caution whenever presented with a “new” food, e.g. a genetically modified one, grown with pesticides, produced in a CAFO, &c. Though no nutritional study has pinpointed the exact cause of all of this stuff, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the sum total of all these effects has been disastrous on human health in the civilised world. And that is the issue.
    “i can’t imagine it wouldn’t be able to adapt to some of the foods that are available today that weren’t then. i agree that a good starting point is looking at the food we evolved to process but its not the end all.”
    This also is true. But evolutionary changes are pretty slow. I’m not waiting around for a quarter of a million years to make sure that my offspring can consume insane amounts of corn syrup. The species may end up dying out before the necessary adaptations take place.

  • Dave Hodges
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    Yes! Lacto-fermentation perserves shelf-life and foods that are lacto-fermented, e.g. sauerkraut, are very good for you!
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-make-sauerkraut/

  • Ryan Tyler
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    i don’t disagree that some (maybe the vast majority) of modern farming is bad for us. i just don’t think its bad for just because its new. and i meant that we can eat “new” foods that are not bad for us right now. not after having evolved to eat it.

  • Ryan Tyler
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    i’ve never done it before

  • Ryan Tyler
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    those exclamation points scare me. please lower your voice

  • Dave Hodges
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    Right on! Using a plough was new at some point. Using a fence to keep out rabbits was new at some point. So were scarecrows. New doesn’t mean bad, necessarily. You are right.

  • Andy L
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    Ryan, that’s exactly why you should do FGB. I’ve a feeling you’ll love it.

  • Ryan Tyler
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    i just realized thats not a very good reason. by golly i’ll do it. disregard my first post about running at the hooch

  • BMW-CFATL
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    Dude….You should totally do FGB…Andy is right, you will love it.

  • BMW-CFATL
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    We are almost at our total word limit on the blog for one day.

  • Bethanie
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    Ryan!!!!!!!! if you always avoided workouts you never did before how would you do crossfit?

  • Bethanie
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    like!

  • Jonathan H CFATL
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    Because I am tired of reading the same shit everyday on the blog now, I’m going to say this:
    There are no definitive, end all be all studies that make the case that “OMG Paleo is like so the way you should eat ROFLMFAO!!!” The studies simply haven’t been done yet.
    My favorite Robb Wolf-ism is “Do it and see how you look, feel, and perform.”
    Simple, applicable, and relevant. It can be applied to anything. Don’t like everything about the paleo diet? Eat whatever the fuck you want and “see how you look, feel, and perform” (which will hereby be abbreviated LFP). Want to try various aspects of the paleo diet, but maybe not give up others? Cut them out of your diet for 30 days and LFP. Want to see if drinking wax as a recovery drink is better than a protein shake? Try it and see how you you LFP (and whether not you shit out a fully formed candle).
    The point is, we are recommending a framework for eating that we have seen work time and again for ourselves and for many of our clients. I’ll spare you my anecdotal evidence about the changes it made for me. If you try strict Paleo and it works for you, awesome! Another one in the win column. If you try strict paleo, it works, but then you decide you want to add back in dairy (or candle wax) and you are still happy with how you LFP, even better! (plus, free candles!)
    As for Dave’s arguments, take them up with Loren Cordain and Robb Wolf, I’m sure they’d be happy to engage your arguments and evidence that I have continually skipped reading (because as Andy said yesterday, I have shit to do).

  • Dave Hodges
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    Best post ever.

  • Ryan Tyler
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    at least for me, i’m not suggesting anything you said is wrong. and i am trying some of the things in paleo and leaving others. i always evaluate how i lfp. how can you not? i am simply trying to get some info on the diet.

  • Tia D
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    was this a hint that you need some new candles?

  • rhjones5
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    This diet stuff is informative, but what about religion?
    Ryan, FGB is easy, definitely do it. Try to break Marshall’s 135.

  • Bethanie
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    In other news, I’m really fired up right now, as you should be too!!
    A few facts:
    1. Crossfit Atlanta is the oldest gym in Atlanta.
    2. Our owner, Dan MacDougald, is known in the Atlanta Crossfit community as “The GodFather” because he, well, is the God Father of Crossfit in Atlanta.
    3. Dan had done endless things for the crossfit community, some of which include help most of the other affiliates in the Atlanta area become what they are today.
    4. Next month is Crossfit Atlanta’s 5 year anniversary.
    5. The first thing we did when we moved to our current location is throw a Halloween party (Halloween 2008).
    What am I getting at? Save the date for Friday, Oct 29 when we will celebrate all of the above with a Halloween blowout at the gym.
    I will need help planning this one so if you want to help or have ideas, please contact me. Otherwise, start talking it up and start thinking of your costume!

  • Michael McLaughlin
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    Shitting out fully formed candles sounds like a sweet side business…and who couldn’t use a lil more coin jingle-jangling in their pockets these days.
    I’m taking pre-orders for shit candles. The first two fragrances will be Chunky Corn and Asparagus. Size of candles will depend on how much coffee I drink that day. Operators are standing by!

  • rhjones5
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    I was just eating pork in a cafeteria and found my self chewing on what can only be described as smoked urethra.
    So the question is, how many blocks is one 4 inch pig urethra?

  • rhjones5
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    myself

  • Andy L
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    You will soon discover as most of us do the most benign looking WODs are the ones most likely to leave you lying in a pool of your own sweat gasping for air.

  • Ryan Tyler
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    thanks mike. i’ll get into some or all of those soon. i meant specific info though, however i am getting the feeling that this might not be the best forum for those questions. thanks

  • MikeG_CFATL
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    I think this forum is a great place to get paleo info. If you are not getting the answers you are looking for, you can use the links I have provided. I believe you can get all the info you want out of those. Have fun!

  • Stephanie E
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    don’t you assholes work?!?!?

  • Dave Hodges
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    It’s not that the forum is bad for the questions. It’s just that the answers to those questions are bigger than can be provided in a comment box on a CF blog.
    Truthfully, you’re going to need to read a book or two if you really want a handle on all of this. I would start with Michael Pollan or Mark Sisson since they’re the easiest to read, and then move to the more academic types like Taubes and Cordain.

  • MsDanyal
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    Aside from Jonathan having the best post ever!! (You are such a smart man !) Mike Mac has managed to make me laugh and throw up a little in my mouth !!!!
    Ryan YOU BETTER get your ass out there for FGB…
    and Religion ?! your RELIGION IS CROSSFIT .. bow down to the alter of pain! Nuff said

  • Rob M
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    My sentiments exactly.

  • MoMo
    Reply

    Balls. I thought that might make you love it more.

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